Given Estates

Senior Communities in North Carolina

CMS overall rating Info The Overall CMS Rating is scored from 1 to 5 stars and combines results from health inspections, staffing levels, and quality measures. Health inspections carry the most weight. Staffing and quality scores can increase or decrease the final rating based on performance compared to state and national standards.
Given Estates

Senior Communities in North Carolina

CMS overall rating Info The Overall CMS Rating is scored from 1 to 5 stars and combines results from health inspections, staffing levels, and quality measures. Health inspections carry the most weight. Staffing and quality scores can increase or decrease the final rating based on performance compared to state and national standards.
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Given Estates accepts Medicare, Medicaid, and private pay.

Overview of Given Estates

Nestled in Asheville, North Carolina, Givens Estates is a senior life plan community where residents are empowered to lead extraordinary lives filled with purpose, passion, and possibility. Their mission is to offer assisted living, skilled nursing, and home care that fosters personal growth, meaningful connections, and spiritual development. Rooted in compassion and respect, Givens Estates values each individual’s journey, providing a safe and nurturing space where seniors can thrive and pursue their dreams.

At Givens Estates, residents enjoy a wealth of assisted living and nursing home amenities and facilities designed to enhance their quality of life. From spacious retirement homes to restaurant-style dining experiences, the community offers a range of options tailored to meet diverse needs and preferences. Residents benefit from daily housekeeping, personal transportation services, and access to a fully equipped therapy gym. With breathtaking mountain views and serene garden beds, Givens Estates provides a tranquil setting for residents to relax and rejuvenate. Whether participating in on-site activities or exploring the surrounding nature trails, residents find endless opportunities for enrichment and enjoyment at Givens Estates.

(828) 274-4800

Quality ratings

Measured by Centers for Medicare & Medicaid Services (CMS)

Overall rating Info The Overall CMS Rating combines results from health inspections, staffing levels and quality measures. Health inspections carry the most weight. Staffing and quality scores can increase or decrease the final rating based on performance compared to state and national standards.
▲ 34.7% Above NC avg.
Health Inspection Info Based on the results of the facility's three most recent standard inspections and any complaint investigations. CMS reviews the number, scope, and severity of deficiencies, with more recent findings weighted more heavily.
▼ 11.8% Below NC avg.
Staffing Info Measures average nursing staff hours per resident per day, including Registered Nurses (RNs) and total nursing staff. Ratings are adjusted based on the level of care residents require and are compared to state and national benchmarks.
▲ 50.6% Above NC avg.
Quality Measures Info Based on clinical and physical health indicators reported to CMS, such as hospital readmissions, falls, pressure ulcers, and improvements in mobility. These measures reflect how well residents' health needs are being managed.
▲ 12.4% Above NC avg.

Staffing hours breakdown

Info Daily nursing hours per resident by staff type, reported to CMS. Higher is generally better — compare this facility to state and national averages to see where staffing stands.

Hours per resident per day — compared to North Carolina state averages

Total nursing care / resident Info This home is ranked 14th out of 60 homes in North Carolina.

Total adjusted nursing hours per resident per day, combining RN, LPN, and aide time. CMS adjusts this for case-mix so facilities can be fairly compared.
5h 36m per day
Rank #14 / 60Nurse hours — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 14th out of 60 homes in North Carolina.Shows adjusted nurse hours per resident per day benchmarked to the North Carolina average, with a ranking across 60 North Carolina SNFs. More hours mean more direct care. The national average is about 3.5 hrs; below 3.0 is a red flag.
This facility North Carolina avg (4h 55m per day)
vs North Carolina avg
+14%
Staff typeHours / dayvs state avg
Total Nursing (Weekend) Info Combined nursing hours (RN + LPN + Nurse Aide) per resident per day on weekends. Staffing often drops on weekends — this figure reveals whether the facility maintains adequate coverage outside of weekday hours. 4h 12m per day

Capacity and availability

This home usually has availability

Occupancy lower than 85% suggests more openings may be available.

Higher occupancy than the North Carolina average: 76.4%
Occupancy rate 81.4% Rank #35 / 66Occupancy rate — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 35th out of 66 homes in North Carolina.Shows this facility's occupancy rate versus the North Carolina average, with its statewide rank out of 66. Higher occupancy signals strong local demand and financial stability.
Avg. Length of Stay 116 days
Occupancy rate
81.4% Rank #35 / 66Occupancy rate — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 35th out of 66 homes in North Carolina.Shows this facility's occupancy rate versus the North Carolina average, with its statewide rank out of 66. Higher occupancy signals strong local demand and financial stability.
Avg. Length of Stay
116 days

Who this home usually serves

TYPE OF STAY

Mostly short-term rehab stays

Most residents typically stay for a few weeks or months before returning home or moving on.

Breakdown by payment type

Medicare

53% of new residents, usually for short-term rehab.

Typical stay 29 days

Private pay

45% of new residents, often for short stays.

Typical stay 6 - 7 months

Medicaid

2% of new residents, often for long-term daily care.

Typical stay 2 - 3 years

Finances and operations

Voluntary non-profit community
Operated by a church.
Home revenue
$70.1M
Surplus of revenue
$16.9M
Voluntary non-profit community Operated by a church.
Home revenue
$70.1M Rank #1 / 67Revenue — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 1st out of 67 homes in North Carolina.Shows this facility's annual revenue compared to the North Carolina SNF average. Higher revenue generally means more resources for staffing and capital — read alongside Payroll %.
Surplus of revenue
$16.9M
Payroll costs Info The portion of the home's budget spent on staff, including nurses, caregivers, and other employees who support care and operations. Rank #1 / 67Payroll — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 1st out of 67 homes in North Carolina.Shows total annual staff payroll benchmarked to the North Carolina average. Higher payroll investment relative to peers often signals better staffing and less reliance on cheaper contract labor.
$19.2M
27.3% of revenue Rank #55 / 67Payroll % — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 55th out of 67 homes in North Carolina.Shows payroll as a percentage of revenue versus the North Carolina average. Well-run SNFs often land around 55–65%. Below 25% may signal understaffing or heavy agency use — read with Staffing ratings.
Other operating costs Info All remaining costs needed to run the home, such as food, utilities, building maintenance, supplies and administrative expenses.
$34.1M
Total costs $53.3M
Walk Score
Walk Score: 29 / 100 Rank #28 / 63Walk Score — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 28th out of 63 homes in North Carolina.Shows how walkable this facility's neighborhood is compared to the average Walk Score across North Carolina SNFs. Higher scores benefit residents, families, and staff.
Somewhat walkable. A few nearby services may be reachable on foot, but most trips require transportation.

About this community

License Details

CMS Certification Number345328
AccreditationsCARF accredited since 1993
Inspection RatingA- rating by Fitch Ratings

Safety & Compliance

Emergency Systems24-hour security and an urgent call system.
Safety FeaturesEmergency call system in each residence.

Staffing

Key information about the people who lead and staff this community.

Leadership

ContactKen Partin, Administrator

Payment & Insurance

1 service
Accept Medicare

Therapy & Rehabilitation

2 services
Rehabilitation Services
Respite Care

Staffing & Medical

1 service
24-Hour Staffing

Amenities & Lifestyle

Housekeeping
Grounds Keeping
Maintenance Services
24-Hour Security
Urgent Call System
Beauty Salon
Physician’s Office
Daily Clinic
Pharmacy
Fitness Coaching
Outpatient Therapy Services
Home Care Services
Scheduled Transportation
Guest Rooms For Visitors
Telephone
Internet
Water
Sewer Service
Garbage Pickup
Fire Insurance
Specific ProgramsCommunity Life, Life Enrichment, Wellness Center, Dining Venues, Residences

Dining & Nutrition

Food DescriptionFlexible dining program available.

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Access & Eligibility

Ways to qualify for care at this community, including accepted programs.

Medicare Accepted

This facility is certified for eligible Medicare services.

Health Inspection History

Inspections
Total health inspections 3

State average 4


Last Health inspection on Feb 2025

Total health citations
20 Rank #44 / 65Health citations — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 44th out of 65 homes in North Carolina.Shows this facility's total health deficiency citations benchmarked to the North Carolina state average, with a ranking across all 65 NC SNFs. Lower citation counts earn a better rank.

State average 20.9

Citations per inspection
6.67 Rank #57 / 65Citations per inspection — state benchmarkedThis home is ranked 57th out of 65 homes in North Carolina.Shows average deficiency citations per CMS inspection for this facility versus the North Carolina mean across 65 SNFs with citation data. Lower is better.

State average 4.99


Health citations are formal notices following inspections when they fail to comply with safety and care standards.

All 20 citations resulted from standard inspections.

Breakdown of citation severity (last 3 years)
Critical Health citations More info
0
100% better than State average

State average: 1.3


Serious Health citations More info 0
100% better than State average

State average: 0.9

0 critical citations More info State average: 1.3

0 serious citations More info State average: 0.9

18 moderate citations More info State average: 17.1

2 minor citations More info State average: 1.6
Citations history (last 3 years)
Infection Control moderate citation Info Issues related to preventing and controlling infections, including hygiene practices and safety protocols. Feb 06, 2025
Corrected

Nutrition moderate citation Info Issues related to food quality, meal service, and resident's nutritional needs. Feb 06, 2025
Corrected

Quality of Care moderate citation Info Issues related to how well residents receive appropriate treatment and support for their medical and daily care needs. Feb 06, 2025
Corrected

Care Planning moderate citation Info Issues related to creating and updating personalized care plans for residents based on their needs and conditions. Feb 06, 2025
Corrected

Financial Assistance for
Senior Communities in North Carolina

Given Estates is located in Asheville, North Carolina.
Here are the financial assistance programs available to residents in North Carolina.

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Community Alternatives Program for Disabled Adults

NC Medicaid CAP/DA

Age 65+ or disabled
General North Carolina resident, Medicaid- eligible, nursing home-level care need.
Income Limits (2025) ~$2,829/month 300% FBR, individual
Asset Limits $2,000 (individual), $3,000 (couple).
NC

High demand; waitlists common in urban areas.

Benefits
Personal care (5-7 hours/day) Respite (240 hours/year) Adult day care ($60/day) Home modifications ($1,500 avg.)

North Carolina Senior Care Options

NC SCO (via NFCSP)

Age Caregiver of someone 60+ (or with dementia)
General North Carolina resident.
Income Limits No strict limit; prioritizes low-income.
Asset Limits Not applicable.
NC

Limited slots; rural/urban balance.

Benefits
In-home respite (4-6 hours/day) Adult day care (~$60/day) Short-term facility care (up to 5 days)

Program of All-Inclusive Care for the Elderly (PACE)

North Carolina PACE (e.g., PACE of the Triad)

Age 55+
General NC resident (specific counties), NFLOC, safe with PACE support.
Income Limits (2025) ~$2,829/month (Medicaid-eligible); private pay option available.
Asset Limits $2,000 (individual), $3,000 (couple) for Medicaid enrollees.
NC

Available in 10+ counties (e.g., Guilford, Wake); multiple providers (e.g., PACE of the Southern Piedmont).

Benefits
Personal care (5-7 hours/day) Medical care Meals Transportation Respite Therapies

In-Home Aide Services

North Carolina In-Home Aide Services

Age 60+
General NC resident, unable to perform 1+ ADL, at risk of nursing home placement.
Income Limits (2025) No strict cap; prioritizes low-income ~$24,980/year
Asset Limits Not assessed; need-based.
NC

Family can be aides; varies by county funding.

Benefits
Personal care (5-20 hours/week) Meal prep Respite (~5 days/year) Errands

Medicare Savings Program (MSP)

North Carolina Medicare Savings Program

Age 65+ or disabled
General NC resident, Medicare Part A/B.
Income Limits (2025) ~$2,510/month (QMB), ~$3,380/month (SLMB), ~$3,598/month (QI)—individual.
Asset Limits $9,430 (individual), $14,130 (couple).
NC

Three tiers; no waitlist; includes Extra Help for Part D.

Benefits
Covers Part B premiums ($174.70/month) Deductibles ($240/year) Copays (~20%)

Low-Income Energy Assistance Program (LIHEAP)

North Carolina LIHEAP

Age 60+ prioritized
General NC resident, low-income household.
Income Limits (2025) ~$3,970/month individual, 185% FPL
Asset Limits Not assessed; income-focused.
NC

Covers oil, gas, electric; emergency aid via Crisis Intervention Program (CIP).

Benefits
Heating/cooling aid ($300-$1,000/season) Emergency fuel ($600 max via CIP)

Senior Community Service Employment Program (SCSEP)

North Carolina SCSEP

Age 55+
General unemployed, low-income, NC resident.
Income Limits (2025) ~$1,983/month 125% FPL
Asset Limits Not specified; income-focused.
NC

Priority for veterans, rural residents; AARP partnership.

Benefits
Paid training (~20 hours/week at ~$7.25/hour) Job placement

VA Aid and Attendance (A&A) and Housebound Benefits

North Carolina VA Aid and Attendance/Housebound

Age 65+ or disabled veteran/spouse
General NC resident, wartime service, need for ADL help (A&A) or homebound.
Income Limits (2025) Net income < ~$1,984/month (veteran with dependent, A&A); pension offsets income.
Asset Limits ~$155,356 net worth limit
NC

High veteran demand in rural/urban areas.

Benefits
Cash (~$1,433-$2,642/month veteran, ~$951-$1,318 spouse) for care costs (e.g., in-home, assisted living)

Urgent Repair Program (URP)

North Carolina Urgent Repair Program

Age 60+ prioritized
General NC resident, homeowner, low-income.
Income Limits (2025) ~$30,258/year 50% AMI, varies by county
Asset Limits Not strictly assessed; home value considered.
NC

Forgivable at $2,000/year; statewide via local partners.

Benefits
Repairs (~$8,000-$12,000 avg.) for safety (e.g., roofs, heating, accessibility)

State/County Special Assistance (SA)

North Carolina Special Assistance

Age 65+ (or disabled)
General NC resident, in licensed adult care home, low-income.
Income Limits (2025) ~$1,255/month (individual, 100% FPL); varies by facility rate.
Asset Limits $2,000 individual
NC

Covers assisted living; counties supplement state funds.

Benefits
Cash (~$1,200-$1,500/month) for room/board; Medicaid covers care services

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Address 6.5 miles from city center Info Estimated distance in miles from Asheville's city center to Given Estates's address, calculated via Google Maps. — 0.47 miles to nearest hospital (Publix Pharmacy at Pinnacle Point)

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Staffing Data (Q2 2025)

This data corresponds to Q2 2025 and is based on CMS Payroll-Based Journal.

Total staff 162
Employees 89
Contractors 73
Staff to resident ratio 2.79:1
51% better than North Carolina average

North Carolina average ratio: 1.85:1

Avg staff/day 42
Average shift 8.3 hours
0% compared with North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 8 hours

Total staff hours (quarter) 31,758
Nursing staff breakdown
Registered Nurse

Manages medical care and health needs.

Total count 14
Average shift length Info Average shift length. Calculated as total hours divided by days worked and average staff per day. 8.9 hours

No contractors work on this role.

Licensed Practical Nurse

Assists with medical care and medications.

Total count 28
Average shift length Info Average shift length. Calculated as total hours divided by days worked and average staff per day. 10.1 hours

This role is partially covered by contractors.

Certified Nursing Assistant

Helps with daily care and mobility.

Total count 85
Average shift length Info Average shift length. Calculated as total hours divided by days worked and average staff per day. 9.1 hours

This role is partially covered by contractors.

Contractor staffing

Total hours from contractors

14.3%

4,544 contractor hours this quarter

Certified Nursing Assistant: 32 Licensed Practical Nurse: 19 Respiratory Therapy Technician: 6 Speech Language Pathologist: 5 Physical Therapy Assistant: 4 Physical Therapy Aide: 2 Qualified Social Worker: 2 Occupational Therapy Aide: 2 Occupational Therapy Assistant: 1
Staff by category
Certified Nursing Assistant53328514,93091100%9.1
Registered Nurse140144,44091100%8.9
Licensed Practical Nurse919283,55291100%10.1
Medication Aide/Technician4041,6038593%10.4
Physical Therapy Aide1231,2986774%7.5
Clinical Nurse Specialist2029926571%8
Dietitian2029417481%8
Mental Health Service Worker2028106268%8.3
Speech Language Pathologist0556407582%3.8
Physical Therapy Assistant0445917481%4.6
Administrator1015126470%8
Respiratory Therapy Technician0664927380%3.8
Nurse Practitioner1014886167%8
Qualified Social Worker0223406066%5.7
Occupational Therapy Aide022942224%3.2
Occupational Therapy Assistant011371213%3
85 Certified Nursing Assistant
% of Days 100%
14 Registered Nurse
% of Days 100%
28 Licensed Practical Nurse
% of Days 100%
4 Medication Aide/Technician
% of Days 93%
3 Physical Therapy Aide
% of Days 74%
2 Clinical Nurse Specialist
% of Days 71%
2 Dietitian
% of Days 81%
2 Mental Health Service Worker
% of Days 68%
5 Speech Language Pathologist
% of Days 82%
4 Physical Therapy Assistant
% of Days 81%
1 Administrator
% of Days 70%
6 Respiratory Therapy Technician
% of Days 80%
1 Nurse Practitioner
% of Days 67%
2 Qualified Social Worker
% of Days 66%
2 Occupational Therapy Aide
% of Days 24%
1 Occupational Therapy Assistant
% of Days 13%

Facility Characteristics

Source: CMS Long-Term Care Facility Characteristics (Data as of Jan 2026)

Total residents 58
Medicare
15
25.9% of residents
Medicaid
5
8.6% of residents
Private pay or other
38
65.5% of residents
Programs & Services
Residents Group

Residents meet regularly to discuss policies, care quality, and activities

Nurse Aide Training

State-approved Nurse Aide Training and Competency Evaluation Program on-site

CCRC

Part of a Continuing Care Retirement Community offering multiple care levels

Active Resident Council

Organized group of residents that meets regularly to discuss facility policies, quality of life, and activities.

Quality of care over time

These measures show how residents usually do over time at this home, based on health outcomes and preventive care.

High-risk clinical events score Info A composite score based on pressure ulcers, falls with injury, weight loss, walking ability decline, and activities of daily living decline. 16.8
46% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 11.5

Functional decline score Info A composite score based on activities of daily living decline, walking ability decline, and incontinence. 31.9
55% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 20.6

Long-stay resident measures
Need for Help with Daily Activities Increased Info Percent of long-stay residents whose need for help with daily activities has increased 27.1%
54% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 17.5%

Walking Ability Worsened Info Percent of long-stay residents whose ability to move independently worsened 30.3%
30% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 23.3%

Low Risk Residents with Bowel/Bladder Incontinence Info Percent of low risk long-stay residents who lose control of their bowels or bladder 38.4%
79% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 21.4%

Falls with Major Injury Info Percent of long-stay residents experiencing one or more falls with major injury 13.8%
280% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 3.6%

High Risk Residents with Pressure Ulcers Info Percent of long-stay high risk residents with pressure ulcers 5.1%
19% better than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 6.3%

Urinary Tract Infection Info Percent of long-stay residents with a urinary tract infection 4.5%
70% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 2.6%

Lost Too Much Weight Info Percent of long-stay residents who lose too much weight 7.4%
In line with North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 7.4%

Depressive Symptoms Info Percent of long-stay residents who have depressive symptoms 1.7%
61% better than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 4.4%

Antipsychotic Use Info Percent of long-stay residents who received an antipsychotic medication 12.0%
11% better than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 13.4%

Pneumococcal Vaccine Info Percent of long-stay residents assessed and appropriately given the pneumococcal vaccine 98.4%
7% better than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 91.6%

Influenza Vaccine Info Percent of long-stay residents assessed and appropriately given the seasonal influenza vaccine 88.9%
6% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 94.1%

Short-stay resident measures
Pneumococcal Vaccine Info Percent of short-stay residents assessed and appropriately given the pneumococcal vaccine 94.8%
19% better than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 79.9%

Antipsychotic medication increase Info Percent of short-stay residents who newly received an antipsychotic medication 0.9%
43% better than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 1.5%

Influenza Vaccine Info Percent of short-stay residents assessed and appropriately given the seasonal influenza vaccine 74.4%
5% worse than North Carolina average

North Carolina average: 78.1%

Penalties and fines

Federal penalties imposed by CMS for regulatory violations, including civil money penalties (fines) and denials of payment for new Medicare/Medicaid admissions.

Source: CMS Penalties Database

Penalty History

Penalties are imposed by CMS for violations of federal nursing home regulations.

No penalties in the past 3 years

No civil money penalties or payment denials were reported in the last 3 years.

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